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Erise or Kain and Nene or Harley   [5]

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    I've been trying to decide who I should turn into a 5*.

    I got Erise a little while ago and had been my Kain(transcended once). Which one is better as a lightning defense?

    I've been using my Nene(transcended once) and got Harley this morning Who's better as a ice defense?

    ✌️thanks
    • DeusEx87 2019.06.17 23:59
      Plain and simple.
      First of all you'll end up advancing all of them, so there is nothing to worry about.
      Second: we are talking about nat4 vs nat3.
      Kain has always been a top tier tank so using him is a good choice. Erise might be stronger, I don't know since I don't use her. Problem is that the chances that you are gonna t3 her are low. Who knows, it might take a year, maybe more to find all the 6 copies you need.
      A t3 nat3 is usually a little bit stronger then a t2 nat4. That means that by far, for now, your transcended Kain is stronger then Erise and he will stay stronger for a long time in your team. Keep using him.
      Harley vs Nene is the same as above.
      Only difference here is that you can't rely on luck to t3 Harley. You can obtain traces just once per day and just 3. That means that to get all the 6 copies you need to fully t3 him you will have to wait (and play everyday) for the next 320 days.
      I prefer Papi to Nene, but for sure a t3 Nene is stronger than a t0 Harley...
      So keep farming Harley's traces but stick with Nene for now.
    • papapou 2019.06.18 00:11
      Agree...keep nat 4* in background,if you realy like this game you will eventualy get harleyt3 ,btw,you will have a 5 or 10 trace extra every 10 floor reatched in mirage...so you will possibly get harley sooner then you think
    • thesurgeon 2019.06.18 00:39
      Totally agree with everyone else. Stick to natural 3*s until you T2 your natural 4*s.

      I personally find nene better than both harley and papillon for her heal.
    • Miumiya_Horiki 2019.06.18 21:48
      Thanks everyone!
    • Calludus 2019.06.18 22:38
      I got T3 Kain with 16% fates and all lvl 20 equips with 6x defense jewels.
      I also got T1 Erise with 12% fates and all lvl 20 equips with 6x defense jewels.
      Though their stats differ with each other. Erise attack 200 higher and Kain defense 300 higher.

      So I guess 4★ T1 is equivalent to 3★ T3 if both are Max Upgrades.

      The good thing about Erise is she's an Enhancer. Her 4th skill permanently buff own both attack and defense by 15% and they're also like equivalent with both 6x Atk/Def jewels at once.
      T0 Erise will work well if only she'll reach at least lvl 20 equips and fill her jewel with 4xDef+2xAtk.. or your other jewel set preference. She can meddle with mid-lvl 3★ T3 at least possible haha. Though I didn't get into Erise as offense cause I'm always chasing the time as possible and her auto attacks still weaker compared to offense hunters so Erise set on defense is the best way.

      Haha Harley my man! The guaranteed attack disabled is his best skill for both offense and defense. His 4th can penetrate immune temporarily making his bleed pushed that through and auto attacks as well. Unaware Beckhen would literally turn into dead chicken haha..

      Kain is somewhat mysterious. I don't know if he was secretly buffed or something. Among old 3★ defense, only Kain has superior defense stats though Calibur is indeed highest defense but zero block chance and critical chance. Stun Immune + Element Resistance built for pure defense. He is always favorable.

      Nene healing? Nah.. that 4th so no guarantee. Robin is the best defense healer. Papilion is good in the past, now hmmm her defense become weaker. Karl/Natalia vs Papilion .. poor papi but can still stall at defense mode though. Calibur is the strongest in terms of attacking skill active. Her 4th is twice the power of Extra Damage among other defenders has it. Low upgrades Lightning hunters would be dead for sure. Edward 5th and immune that lasts longer among all hunters at 50% chance. Dumble is really not recommended to become your defense mode but!.. He is the Grandmaster of Stage Areas from Lvl 1-500 and Abyss. He's that great eh! Damn. Athena.. hmmm.. ok.. actually fire defenders including Juno are inferior to the eyes of Beckhen. Beckhen smirks lol. Bear... for me she's bad.. what the.. she's cost 4 Rage on her skills and her skill actives is only is as tough as Edward.. tsk.. so she's only my fate connect not included any of my team... And oh.. Don't forget Captain he is good too. I always met him at high ranks fight club.

      In short, my best pick in order from highest to fairly are
      Erise, Harley, Kain, Edward, Calibur, Robin, Juno, Papilion, Captain, Nene, Athena.. Bear. Dumble is the exception. Other 2★s and Hecate are just fodders only.. poor fellahs.

      All of it in one. "\(^^,)/"

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